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Wednesday, December 4, 2013

If Chivarly Isn't Dead It Should Be

I am going to preface this entire post with the disclaimer that I haven’t been on a first date since Clinton was in office.

And I mean Bill, not Hillary as Secretary of State.



So, I’ve seen a lot of stuff about dating and how guys are all like, “I bought dinner.  You should like me.  I spent all this money and you’re blowing me off and just calling me a friend.”  And women are like, “You guys just don’t get it.  Men suck.  They are horrible.”

It doesn’t help when you see things like The Nice Guys of OK Cupid or, God forbid, The Juggalos of OK Cupid.  Not to mention, Buzzfeed sounds like a bitter version of Liz Lemon who hates men.

Back when I was still in the dating scene, we didn’t have Facebook.  We didn’t have texting.  Hell, I didn’t have a cell phone.  If you wanted to get a hold of me you either called my house phone (like what the hell is that?)  or you got a hold of me through email.  (which Hotmail isn’t even around anymore.)   I met people at work or in bars or at other places and a connection was made.   You would set a time and a place and go out.  After that, there were phone calls and conversations and generally, the getting to know someone process was done through organic means.  You asked someone about themselves.  You didn’t follow them on Twitter, check out their Pinterest page, or stalk them on Facebook.

I can’t imagine what it’s like to be back in this environment after so much has happened.  Hell, today, paying for dinner could be a huge foul.  Why?   Read this and tell me what is wrong

I know I’ve been out of it for almost 15 years, but this guy doesn’t understand one thing about women in the 21st century. 

I think I’m the only single guy I know that actually takes a girl out to a restaurant on a first date. There’s a reason for this.  If you take a girl out and show her you’re more than some douche looking to just get in her pants, odds are, you’re going to get a second date, at least. Call me old fashioned, but a nice dinner is worth the money to get to know someone to some extent.

For me, it’s not about the money, and I get why people are stingy when it comes to going out with people they don’t know. Look, I get it.  Sh*t costs money. But really, what’s the difference? Treat yourself to a good meal, and if the company is good, why the hell wouldn’t you take a girl out to a nice dinner?”

Seriously?  This guy would be lucky to get a second date.  OK, let me rephrase that.  This guy would be lucky to get a second date with a woman not found in 1982.  He sounds like a “nice” guy but he automatically thinks that the requirement for a second date or a relationship is just doing the bare minimum?  “If I do A. B. and C.  Then I’m in.  There’s no reason why she would say no.”

What he doesn't take into account is that, today, women aren't necessarily looking for that type of guy. They may want someone to be an equal in some facets and take charge in others.   He’s assuming that because he was raised a certain way that it’s the perfect formula for happiness and romance.   I was raised that way and let me tell you, it's not the same anymore.  You need to evolve and start thinking about their feelings.

He says chivalry is dead.  Well, good.  Because the system hasn’t evolved past the 70s.  Chivalry, as his ancestors knew it, is not an applicable model for how you should treat women.  It’s an antiquated set of guidelines that does not take into account anything that might matter to a woman.  It's simply a "I know what women want because I'm being nice and courteous and holding doors and paying for dinner."   Well, duh?  You should do that just as a courtesy, not as a requirement.  That's like getting points on the SAT for writing your name on the right line.

Chivalry being dead isn't a bad thing as long as good manners, respect, and decency are still in play. You don't have to take a girl to a fancy dinner on the first date to be a gentleman. You can both meet for drinks or go to an event. You can still get a second or a third if you treat them well and it's what they would like.  How about ask them if they wanted a second date?  Don’t assume that because you did nothing to offend or disrespect them that they should immediately call home to tell Mom and Dad they met the man of their dreams.  Here’s a little tip.  Maybe they just don’t like you enough.  Maybe you're a good guy but not what they're looking for.  Where this guy probably sees physical flaws in a woman that would negate the idea of a second date, she's probably looking way deeper than just how you look.

And paying for a meal.   Good luck with that.   You need to adapt just as much as women do to men in the present.   I’ll get to that in a minute or two.   Paying for a meal could kill you in an instant. 


It conjures a stigma of weakness or inequality.   There are women today that are perfectly fine and normal (By whatever standard you may have in your narrow minded brain) and by you getting out that wallet, you suddenly just put them right into the corner like Baby in Dirty Dancing.  Did they get a vote?  Were they consulted?  Did they automatically give up their right to be independent?   Ask them, maybe? Some see it as an obligation to be appreciative.  A good guy will pay for dinner, a real man will know if it's what she wants him to do and act accordingly.

Admittedly, these things should be agreed upon ahead of time and while you should expect to do so, as a courtesy, don't feel as if they should be beholden to you when it comes to an archaic institution that can, in some eyes, demean them as a person.

They'll let you know. Be perceptive and respectful. The rest will come if it is meant to, not because you shelled out cash for a dinner.

Start out small.  A “date” can mean many things, but it shouldn’t have an expectation put upon it other than two people making a plan to do something together with an understanding that for whatever time you are together, your attention is on being with each other and not your friends or your phone.   That may be too specific or it may not be specific enough, I don't know.   That’s part of the process of communication.  Find out what those expectations are from each other and be respectful in those regards.  

Now…  ladies.  This is where we need to have a little chat.  This is what singles dating has become.  You're phone is not an acceptable secretary.  Lay down some structure. 

Like I said, I have been out of this area for a long time but there are some things that should never be forgotten. 

You need to be a little more specific about what you want.  We are not mind readers.   It would be rather dismissive to say that women have drastically changed over the last one hundred years.  It would also be callous and completely wrong.  Women haven’t changed.   Women are the same as they always were.   They’ve just never really been taken seriously enough to be what they are.  They still aren’t.   They have had a black cloud hanging over them from the dawn of time when it comes to equality and perception.    But here’s the thing.   Men haven’t changed either.    And while there are men that are inherently stupid and thick, there are just as many women who are clueless and vapid.  If you are dating these types of people, don't complain about them to the ones who aren't.  If you have no self respect or standards, you have no right to bitch to those that do.  It's like not voting and then complaining about who won the election.

Look, I get it.  Guys are not perfect.  We will never be perfect.   But, you cannot make us perfect either.   However, guys… I’m sorry…  men… are not all alike.   Another thing that makes me cringe at the thought of actually being back in the dating scene is that there is a ton of crap I would have to fight through to be taken seriously.   It always seems like the sins of the former are passed onto the next.   Meaning, whatever women think about guys, it’s always going to be thought about you.  I understand, at my age, most men, who are dating, are probably divorced or have been in a relationship that somehow ended.    If they aren’t, you might wonder what’s wrong with them?   Let’s face it.   It goes both ways, but in different fashion.   A single guy at 40 must either be a cad, who can’t commit, or still lives with his mother, watches cartoons, and is not someone you want to be with anyway.  And, by that token, a single woman at 40 is either a man hater or can’t keep a guy, which means she’s a train wreck.

Yet, the reality is that it’s probably easier to understand a woman still single at 40 and perfectly fine, but a guy… yeah, there’s something wrong there.  He’s probably a serial killer or is going through a midlife crisis and only looking to date someone half his age who thinks The Notebook is the best movie ever.

Another thing to realize is that a guy who just got out of a long term relationship, especially marriage, doesn’t automatically need to be in another one.  Guys can function on their own, just like women can.   They can cook.  They can clean.  They can probably raise kids, too.  If they want to date you, it's probably because they like you, not because they can't be alone.  

Whatever reason their past relationship didn’t work out…  it’s not like the guy you just broke up with last month.    Also all men are not small minded.  They are capable of taking things slow or whatever speed is fine.  They are willing to learn new things and become more well rounded individuals.    But you have to realize that you cannot inherently change what a man is.  If he has faults or issues, they are not going to go away, just because you are there.   You cannot force him, threaten him, or change him.  You can accept him or you can walk away.  But don’t just settle and think he’s the best thing that will ever happen to you or he will never understand what is wrong and you will resent him and yourself.

Men are smart.  Smarter than you give them credit for.  The ones that are idiots are just part of life… much like the twenty-something bar hopping Instagramming girl who thinks Jersey Shore and Ugg boots are the coolest thing out there.    

Remember.  Most guys don’t want Courtney Stodden or Kate Upton.   They want someone who looks real, acts real, feels real, and can hold their own in a conversation.  The ones (men) who are really worth it want someone who is honest and smart and not afraid to openly tell them exactly what they want in a relationship.  Most guys really want the Velmas, Bailey Quarters, and Mary Anns of the world and there's probably nothing wrong with you, so get over your hang ups and accept that they can like you and won't screw you over because the last three guys did.  And if the guys you date only seem to want some plastic, size zero, receptacle who is only good for a late night call… it’s not the guy's fault… it’s your own for putting up with that.  Live up to your own hype, ladies.  You want to be taken seriously, don't put up with asshats who treat you like crap.   And don't meet guys online, especially ones who say they are separated or going to get divorced.  First of all, they're probably lying about a lot of things and, chances are, they are just looking for sex and have no intention of getting divorced.  Most guys don't go to online dating sites to find a relationship.  They go there to find a discreet hook up because they're unhappy in their marriage.

And guys… don’t be such douche nozzles.   Stop thinking that women owe you anything in return for a meal at TGIFridays.   You’ll get a second date if you actually listen to them instead of assuming you know exactly what they want, because your Nana taught you how to treat a lady. Your nana probably wasn't allowed to have a job in her day.   

And stop making it easier for them to date assholes.  But don’t kiss their ass and don’t be desperate.  Just be open and honest.  The ones that are worth it will be there.  Don’t be a "nice guy".  Be a man who is nice and respectable.  Someone who treats a woman how she wants to be treated.  How she deserves to be treated, based on her own specifications   Don’t be afraid to talk.  Don’t play games.  Don't be chivalrous.  Be advanced.  Be evolved.

Now,  if you'll excuse me, I'm going back to my little bubble.

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